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    Thread: Central California KOi Society Show Results and Pix

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      Central California KOi Society Show Results and Pix

      Norm Call and I had the pleasure of judging the Central California Koi Society Show in Fresno this past weekend. Very nice group of people, super chemistry, and nice koi. 141 entered, and the GC was a 26ish " Showa owned by Don Robb, and the Reserve Champ was a Nice 25" Sanke owned by Karlyn Crediford. The bodies of the koi were bigger than the pictures show, especially the GC. Some really great Ponds were seen as a tour, with a special notable one owned by the Robbs... Felt like we were in Hawaii with alot of great koi.....Only the pond was deeper.. Here is the GC and Reserve GC....
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      Nice showa!
      Thanks for the pics!

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      More of the koi and people.... some pond pix will follow once I download them off the camera....

      First some of the other "champions".. The sorogoi is close to 30" and the Mostly black 28" Kumnryu was especially striking...The first show is best in size over 20" and with the mouth open, looks like an eel. Not really like that. This one had the best sumi, very lacquer like compared to more matt like of the GC, and is about 24". Possible GC next year, this year didnt have the size to compete with the GC.. same owner Don Robb ...
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      Thanks, Bob. Great looking fish Which one of the pics is the GC and RC?
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      The sorogoi has really nice gin rin on a fish that size.

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      ooops.. here is the kumonryu (s) One challenge was that they had 8 shusui all about 8", and I think siblings from the same spawn, to be judged against each other... not in the same tanks... is what I did when i saw them
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      Nice Bob!

      Thanks for sharing!

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      Hi Bill,

      GC is the Showa
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      The showa is fantastic.

      Judge question: I have been under the impression that a showa needs to have all three colors on her face. This one, while having wonderful balance overall, does not.

      Am I mistaken in thinking that? Does the quality of this fish make that a moot point? When comparing to a fish looking exactly like this one, but which also has white on the face would the other fish win?
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      Thanks Bob Nice

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      Nice fish - good weather, too?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC
      The showa is fantastic.

      Judge question: I have been under the impression that a showa needs to have all three colors on her face. This one, while having wonderful balance overall, does not.

      Am I mistaken in thinking that? Does the quality of this fish make that a moot point? When comparing to a fish looking exactly like this one, but which also has white on the face would the other fish win?

      Hi Chris,

      You are correct. All three colors are preferred to be on the head, and if all else was equal between two showa, one with equal colors on the head and one without, the more equal one would win. In this case, the size and overall koi beat the other showa. We almost put the second showa as reserve, but the sanke was more finished in body, but pattern not quite as balanced. The other thing the smaller, "more equal" showa had going for it I alluded to earlier. The sumi quality. It was significantly better, even though both were solid in color. The thing that knocked it out in the final analysis though, was the pec fin. Slightly uneven in the leading ray. I think the picture shows it, but looking at it live, it was a little more obvious than that. So we had two other koi, nicely finished, with all the conformation points, and this slightly smaller, better quality showa with the pec fin "problem". As you probably know, the larger the koi above 18" or so, the more conformation often counts. Not just size, but all the parts of conformation. If it had the same body, it could be argued that it deserved GC, even with the pec fin. And in one more year in this Don Robb's pond, it will have it. The koi on the day with the most complete package was the Showa that won.

      Savannah, the weather was great.. 75-80F. A bit breezy in the morning, so a jacket would have been nice.
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      Thanks Bob! Gorgeous koi.......nice shots!

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      Thank you Bob! Gorgeous fish!
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      Thanks for the info Bob---what a problem to have, picking between two great fish!

      Quote Originally Posted by Bob Winkler
      Hi Chris,

      You are correct. All three colors are preferred to be on the head, and if all else was equal between two showa, one with equal colors on the head and one without, the more equal one would win. In this case, the size and overall koi beat the other showa. We almost put the second showa as reserve, but the sanke was more finished in body, but pattern not quite as balanced. The other thing the smaller, "more equal" showa had going for it I alluded to earlier. The sumi quality. It was significantly better, even though both were solid in color. The thing that knocked it out in the final analysis though, was the pec fin. Slightly uneven in the leading ray. I think the picture shows it, but looking at it live, it was a little more obvious than that. So we had two other koi, nicely finished, with all the conformation points, and this slightly smaller, better quality showa with the pec fin "problem". As you probably know, the larger the koi above 18" or so, the more conformation often counts. Not just size, but all the parts of conformation. If it had the same body, it could be argued that it deserved GC, even with the pec fin. And in one more year in this Don Robb's pond, it will have it. The koi on the day with the most complete package was the Showa that won.

      Savannah, the weather was great.. 75-80F. A bit breezy in the morning, so a jacket would have been nice.
      Chris
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